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[Fonc] Final STEP progress report abandoned?
Alan Kay
2014-11-24 16:43:46 UTC
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Hi Dan
I should mention to all that I did write a final report for NSF, and this is on their site.

I was not sufficiently happy with my writing on the parts that I wrote and (as in the past) decided to do a better job for the Viewpoints version of this. But as John Lennon once observed "Life happens while you are making plans". Other things have gotten in the way.
Cheers
Alan


From: Dan Melchione <***@melchione.com>
To: ***@mailman.vpri.org
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 7:36 PM
Subject: [Fonc] Final STEP progress report abandoned?

Over another year gone by. Any new update?
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Dan Melchione <***@melchione.com> wrote:

Haven't seen much regarding this for a while.  Has it been been abandoned or put at such low priority that it is effectively abandoned?
Loup Vaillant-David
2014-11-24 18:27:31 UTC
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Post by Alan Kay
Hi Dan
I should mention to all that I did write a final report for NSF, and this is on their site.
Hi, I personally can't find it. Does someone have a URL?

Loup.
Josh Grams
2014-11-25 02:06:50 UTC
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Post by Loup Vaillant-David
Post by Alan Kay
Hi Dan
I should mention to all that I did write a final report for NSF, and
this is on their site.
Hi, I personally can't find it.
Yeah, I can't find anything which suggests that they *ever* make
reports from their projects publicly available on their website.
The only thing I can find about the award is the abstract, which
lists a bunch of the project's papers but, AFAICS, none of the
yearly reports to the NSF.

http://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward?AWD_ID=0639876&HistoricalAwards=false

--Josh
David Girle
2014-11-26 20:31:45 UTC
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These are on the "Writings" page

2007 http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2007008_steps.pdf

2008 http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2008004_steps08.pdf

2009 http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2009016_steps09.pdf

2010 http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2010004_steps10.pdf

2011 http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2011004_steps11.pdf

I had missed the posting of the 5th report, but from memory the others were
up shortly after the close of each year
Post by Josh Grams
Post by Loup Vaillant-David
Post by Alan Kay
Hi Dan
I should mention to all that I did write a final report for NSF, and
this is on their site.
Hi, I personally can't find it.
Yeah, I can't find anything which suggests that they *ever* make
reports from their projects publicly available on their website.
The only thing I can find about the award is the abstract, which
lists a bunch of the project's papers but, AFAICS, none of the
yearly reports to the NSF.
http://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward?AWD_ID=0639876&HistoricalAwards=false
--Josh
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Loup Vaillant-David
2014-11-26 22:09:13 UTC
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Actually, we were talking about the *sixth* report.

Loup.
Post by David Girle
These are on the "Writings" page
2007 http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2007008_steps.pdf
2008 http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2008004_steps08.pdf
2009 http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2009016_steps09.pdf
2010 http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2010004_steps10.pdf
2011 http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2011004_steps11.pdf
I had missed the posting of the 5th report, but from memory the others were
up shortly after the close of each year
Post by Josh Grams
Post by Loup Vaillant-David
Post by Alan Kay
Hi Dan
I should mention to all that I did write a final report for NSF, and
this is on their site.
Hi, I personally can't find it.
Yeah, I can't find anything which suggests that they *ever* make
reports from their projects publicly available on their website.
The only thing I can find about the award is the abstract, which
lists a bunch of the project's papers but, AFAICS, none of the
yearly reports to the NSF.
http://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward?AWD_ID=0639876&HistoricalAwards=false
--Josh
Charles Perkins
2014-12-08 19:29:32 UTC
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How is Dan Amelang's Ph.D. thesis coming along? I'd love to be able to read that too.

Chuck
Post by Loup Vaillant-David
Actually, we were talking about the *sixth* report.
Loup.
Post by David Girle
These are on the "Writings" page
2007 http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2007008_steps.pdf
2008 http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2008004_steps08.pdf
2009 http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2009016_steps09.pdf
2010 http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2010004_steps10.pdf
2011 http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2011004_steps11.pdf
I had missed the posting of the 5th report, but from memory the others were
up shortly after the close of each year
Post by Josh Grams
Post by Loup Vaillant-David
Post by Alan Kay
Hi Dan
I should mention to all that I did write a final report for NSF, and
this is on their site.
Hi, I personally can't find it.
Yeah, I can't find anything which suggests that they *ever* make
reports from their projects publicly available on their website.
The only thing I can find about the award is the abstract, which
lists a bunch of the project's papers but, AFAICS, none of the
yearly reports to the NSF.
http://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward?AWD_ID=0639876&HistoricalAwards=false
--Josh
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Dan Amelang
2014-12-08 19:48:12 UTC
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Delayed but not indefinitely. Thanks for the interest, will post any major
updates here.

Dan
Post by Charles Perkins
How is Dan Amelang's Ph.D. thesis coming along? I'd love to be able to read that too.
Chuck
Post by Loup Vaillant-David
Actually, we were talking about the *sixth* report.
Loup.
Post by David Girle
These are on the "Writings" page
2007 http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2007008_steps.pdf
2008 http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2008004_steps08.pdf
2009 http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2009016_steps09.pdf
2010 http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2010004_steps10.pdf
2011 http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2011004_steps11.pdf
I had missed the posting of the 5th report, but from memory the others
were
Post by Loup Vaillant-David
Post by David Girle
up shortly after the close of each year
Post by Josh Grams
Post by Loup Vaillant-David
Post by Alan Kay
Hi Dan
I should mention to all that I did write a final report for NSF, and
this is on their site.
Hi, I personally can't find it.
Yeah, I can't find anything which suggests that they *ever* make
reports from their projects publicly available on their website.
The only thing I can find about the award is the abstract, which
lists a bunch of the project's papers but, AFAICS, none of the
yearly reports to the NSF.
http://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward?AWD_ID=0639876&HistoricalAwards=false
Post by Loup Vaillant-David
Post by David Girle
Post by Josh Grams
--Josh
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Charles Perkins
2014-12-08 20:29:32 UTC
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Thanks Dan!

I expected I would read about it here, I'm looking forward to it.

Chuck
Delayed but not indefinitely. Thanks for the interest, will post any major updates here.
Dan
How is Dan Amelang's Ph.D. thesis coming along? I'd love to be able to read that too.
Chuck
Post by Loup Vaillant-David
Actually, we were talking about the *sixth* report.
Loup.
Post by David Girle
These are on the "Writings" page
2007 http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2007008_steps.pdf
2008 http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2008004_steps08.pdf
2009 http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2009016_steps09.pdf
2010 http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2010004_steps10.pdf
2011 http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2011004_steps11.pdf
I had missed the posting of the 5th report, but from memory the others were
up shortly after the close of each year
Post by Josh Grams
Post by Loup Vaillant-David
Post by Alan Kay
Hi Dan
I should mention to all that I did write a final report for NSF, and
this is on their site.
Hi, I personally can't find it.
Yeah, I can't find anything which suggests that they *ever* make
reports from their projects publicly available on their website.
The only thing I can find about the award is the abstract, which
lists a bunch of the project's papers but, AFAICS, none of the
yearly reports to the NSF.
http://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward?AWD_ID=0639876&HistoricalAwards=false
--Josh
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Loup Vaillant-David
2015-11-15 10:24:33 UTC
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However, the help desk person told me that final reports are not made
available to the general public,
Wait a minute, are you saying that *no* final report is ever made
available, not just the STEPS one? That would be a strange policy:
we're talking about publicly funded research, right?

Maybe the VPRI team could be allowed to release it independently?

Loup.
I think NSF policy is getting in the way here, according to what the
I've never tried to download a final report before, so I was assuming that
it was my lack of familiarity with the 1990s-era Web search tool that NSF
was using, or more likely just "misfiled" on a web site somewhere, since I
However, the help desk person told me that final reports are not made
available to the general public, because they may potentially contain PII
(personal information). Not sure how this might be different than all of
the other annual reports, but that's what the lady told me.
So I'm still not sure how to get the Final report.
- Ralph
Post by Loup Vaillant-David
Actually, we were talking about the *sixth* report.
Loup.
Post by David Girle
These are on the "Writings" page
2007 http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2007008_steps.pdf
2008 http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2008004_steps08.pdf
2009 http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2009016_steps09.pdf
2010 http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2010004_steps10.pdf
2011 http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2011004_steps11.pdf
I had missed the posting of the 5th report, but from memory the others
were
Post by David Girle
up shortly after the close of each year
Post by Josh Grams
Post by Loup Vaillant-David
Post by Alan Kay
Hi Dan
I should mention to all that I did write a final report for NSF, and
this is on their site.
Hi, I personally can't find it.
Yeah, I can't find anything which suggests that they *ever* make
reports from their projects publicly available on their website.
The only thing I can find about the award is the abstract, which
lists a bunch of the project's papers but, AFAICS, none of the
yearly reports to the NSF.
http://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward?AWD_ID=0639876&HistoricalAwards=false
Post by David Girle
Post by Josh Grams
--Josh
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